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30 on March 11, 2018

Smc snubbed? Or right decision by selection committee?

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snubbed… with a weak out of conference schedule and having to play 18 WCC games there’s very little margin for error as the committee sees it I guess.  Kind of crazy if you ask me to take AZ St., Syracuse, Alabama (and apparently ND was the one who got displaced with the Davidson win… really???).  SMC went 28-5.  They love those big market teams, (it is big business after all).  Also, maybe another reason that pushes Zaga and BYU to the MW as it’s obvious there’s no respect for the WCC.  Imagine if those 2 leave…

Can’t believe USC got passed up too.

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Snubbed.  How Syracuse, Oklahoma, ASU, and Nevada make it is anyone’s guess. USF beat Nevada.  Granted SMC did not help themselves in losing to BYU and USF but to say they were not better than Okla, ASU and Syracuse, with lower RPI’s (league results should count for something) and if you want to say our league is weak, which it is, then hold Nevada accountable for their loss to USF.  WHile SMC was leaking gas at the end so were the others,  even more so.

This does not bode well for Gonzaga or BYU staying in the WCC.  I agree with the earlier comment, in another thread, where the WCC needs to sweeten the pot for GU to stay in the WCC. BYU, in my opinion, is not a good fit and should be replaced by a school like Seattle and/or Denver, as BYU will likely leave at some point as their football program has suffered.  Also serves notice to SCU to get off the pot and start competing.

 

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Snubbed.  How Syracuse, Oklahoma, ASU, and Nevada make it is anyone’s guess. USF beat Nevada.  Granted SMC did not help themselves in losing to BYU and USF but to say they were not better than Okla, ASU and Syracuse, with lower RPI’s (league results should count for something) and if you want to say our league is weak, which it is, then hold Nevada accountable for their loss to USF.  WHile SMC was leaking gas at the end so were the others,  even more so.

This does not bode well for Gonzaga or BYU staying in the WCC.  I agree with the earlier comment, in another thread, where the WCC needs to sweeten the pot for GU to stay in the WCC. BYU, in my opinion, is not a good fit and should be replaced by a school like Seattle and/or Denver, as BYU will likely leave at some point as their football program has suffered.  Also serves notice to SCU to get off the pot and start competing.

 

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Snubbed.  How Syracuse, Oklahoma, ASU, and Nevada make it is anyone’s guess. USF beat Nevada.  Granted SMC did not help themselves in losing to BYU and USF but to say they were not better than Okla, ASU and Syracuse, with lower RPI’s (league results should count for something) and if you want to say our league is weak, which it is, then hold Nevada accountable for their loss to USF.  WHile SMC was leaking gas at the end so were the others,  even more so.

This does not bode well for Gonzaga or BYU staying in the WCC.  I agree with the earlier comment, in another thread, where the WCC needs to sweeten the pot for GU to stay in the WCC. BYU, in my opinion, is not a good fit and should be replaced by a school like Seattle and/or Denver, as BYU will likely leave at some point as their football program has suffered.  Also serves notice to SCU to get off the pot and start competing.

 

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18 on March 12, 2018

3 Pac-12 Teams, two in the play in games, SMC snubbed or at least had a case, MWC lucky to get two. An all-time low water mark for West Coast College Basketball? 

USC was the highest ever RPI team left out? 

on March 12, 2018

I suspect FBI probe didn’t help USC. Others on the bubble and part of the FBI probe, Louisville and OK St. also left out.

on March 15, 2018

I don’t know what USC’s RPI was, but probably not. Missouri State had an RPI in the teens once and didn’t get in. 

Pac-12 was awful this year. ASU getting in after finishing 9th is a complete joke. I don’t really consider the play in game being in the tournament. They obviously just stuck some iffy power conference teams in there (2 from pac-12) to try to boost ratings. 

Syracuse played like crap, has two bigs with the musculature of middle schoolers, and still beat them.

The SendHex lives on — no school he’s ever been head coach has ever done better after he left — in the tournament or in the conference standings — than the best he did at that school.

on March 16, 2018
on March 16, 2018

And NC State out already…long live the SendHex.

on March 16, 2018

Also in the “68 team era” — which isn’t very long. Just based on wording, I’m guessing someone in the 64 team era had a higher RPI. 

on March 16, 2018

Noob- The HerbHex is alive and well… have been witnessing it in all of it’s mundane and plain vanilla manners all season long 11 wins 20 losses right here at SCU.

on March 16, 2018

Aye Cap’n…I think you’re onto something. Makes next season a troublesome inflection point along the five year path. Another lackluster or less season brings up a quo vadis moment for Sendek and the admin. I guess the school will ride-out the contract and keep their fingers crossed, as will many of us. It’s just tiresome being an easy out.

 

on March 16, 2018

This is extraordinary, usually this kind of anger doesn’t rise until Herb has led a nowhere program to an improved level, but gets static because he can’t make them as good as Duke/Arizona/Gonzaga in the league. 

Y’all are an unusually entitled bunch. Must come with the territory out there in Silicon Valley. Think you can just buy a rocket ship to success. 

I feel like the worse the situation gets at Pitt, the more realisitic the possibility of Sendek getting the job becomes. An intelligent AD will recognize that this past season was part of a project in progress, and not a finished (or even really far begun) product.

on March 16, 2018

It’ not anger, just reality.  So far this nowhere program has gone nowhere (except perhaps toward the abyss) in the past 2 seasons.  Given your love for coach, I think you’d better hope he turns things around over the next 3 years.  If he gets through his 5 years @ SCU without success, he’s likely done as a D1 head coach (it’s not like teams were just dying to hire him after ASU sent him packing). 

on March 16, 2018

4th place in his first year was literally the best anyone could possibly have expected. And 8-10 this year was a pretty solid finish. The non-conference wasn’t good, but who cares, really? It’s not like you were bucking for an at-large bid anyway. So just chill. 

on March 16, 2018

‘who cares, really?’
1) recruits
2) alums
3) big money donors paying Sendek’s salary
Just to name a few. Pretty sure Sendek and the players cared as well…if not, we have bigger problems.

If we had a young, inexperienced team led mostly be Sendek’s recruits then one could argue that the poor season was justified and a vehicle to get PT and experience for young players to build for the future. But that wasn’t the case. With the exception of Vrankic, nearly all of the production came from seniors, upperclassmen and KK recruits. Meanwhile, teams like USF, USD and UOP (the middle of the pack that we need to rise above) had better seasons with younger teams and with more of their new coach’s recruits playing major roles. And even a program like Portland had a very good ‘17 recruiting class, 4 of 5 starters were ‘17 recruits…their young players showed some promise and gained experience.

You can sugar coat and suggest this or that doesn’t matter all you want, but BS excuses are BS excuses and they aren’t likely to gain much traction here.

on March 17, 2018

Big money donors that are scrutinizing non-conference results in essentially year 1 personnel-wise have more money than sense. Even in the Veruca Salt culture of Silicon Valley I would think there is more patience than that. 

Eaddy was a recruit that you conveniently leave out, but next year he’ll be like having recruited a freshman this year — 3 years left. He scored double figures in 11 of his last 20 games as a FR, shot 43% from 3 and 93% from the line. Now with 2 summers to bulk up in a college strength program, he should be pretty good — probably better than those guys you’re fawning over on other teams. I’ll be surprised if he’s not a double figure scorer on high efficiency shooting. 

 

KK’s senior class was Healy, Pugh, Ndumanya. Hardly difference makers there, and the weakness of that senior class was the biggest reason why I was confident this would be a bad year. Add that to no sophomore class…and it’s pretty hard to think anything else.

on March 17, 2018

Noob-
Not fawning over anyone, just realistic and objective analysis….objectivity, something that eludes you in any matter even tangentially related to Sendek.

The senior class wasn’t that great which is even more damning in regards to Sendek’s recruits as Douglas, Roche. Turner and to some degree Walters were all buried on the depth chart behind those seniors. In the case of Roche also below Jadersten.

And no I didn’t forget Eaddy, i’m well aware of him and have mentioned him in other threads including the need for him to make an impact next season. But as a transfer, he’s yet to suit up so difficult to evaluate him. His freshmen #’s look decent, somewhere between KJ and Hauser’s freshmen #’s, not really anything to do cartwheels over. And more importantly can he elevate our defense by defending at a high level, particularly at the point??? We’ll see.

on March 17, 2018

Dude. I do real objective analytics for a living, and trust me, what you’re doing…ain’t it.

It’s not difficult to evaluate Eaddy. You have actual data from Division I college basketball. It’s easier to evaluate him than most high school players. He was a rail thin FR that scored 10 a game in league play because he can shoot the heck out of the ball. He’ll get stronger and improve his all around game. 

People here really overrate Hauser, btw. He only shot 33% from 3 in the league. Smart, good decision maker, but not overall that good a player.

I’m not interested in indulging your ignorance re: freshmen. If you expect all freshmen to come in and play right away, well, I don’t know what I can do about someone that doesn’t know what they don’t know.

on March 17, 2018

-noob:
That’s great your in analytics, good for you….still says nothing about your ability to be objective re: Sendek.
Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. You read stuff in to others comments that aren’t there. Please point out a single post i’ve made stating that I expect every freshman to contribute right away….you won’t find one.
No question recruiting is a crapshoot, there will be some complete misses along the way, others may be projects that take a couple years to develop or will be role players. But ultimately you need a better hit rate on quality impact players than 1 for 5 which is where we stand to date. Now Walters showed some potential (though little actual production), maybe he’ll take a step forward and become a reliable 6th or 7th man type, we’ll see.
The ‘18 recruiting class (plus Eaddy) may very well close or even eliminate the recruiting gap to date compared to USF, UOP, USD and even Portland. On the surface Wertz and Eaddy appear the most ready to contribute right away but we’re still lacking a post with any size or athleticism who can man the 5….hopefully we land Otchere or someone similar otherwise we’re going to get absolutely murdered in the paint and on the glass.

on March 17, 2018

After taking your snide comments for several posts, I feel I’ve earned the right to respond to direct insults and attacks.

“That’s great your in analytics, good for you….still says nothing about your ability to be objective re: Sendek.
Your reading comprehension skills are lacking. You read stuff in to others comments that aren’t there.”

“Your in analytics”. Improper use of ellipsis marks. “Read stuff in to” “others comments”. If you’re going to shade someone, try not to do it in such a way that you sound like you’re fucking illiterate.

I wasn’t saying anything about my objectivity or lack thereof. I never claimed to be objective. I was saying something about your hilarious claims of objective analysis. For some reason you hate Sendek because he had a bad year with a bad team that was always going to be bad. Maybe you hated him anyway. Maybe you don’t like bald white guys. Maybe you think he’s too quiet. Whatever. Then you find every little thing you can, no matter how illogical, to bitch about in what you call analysis, but is actually just flaunting your ignorance. That’s not the least bit objective.

“The senior class wasn’t that great which is even more damning in regards to Sendek’s recruits as Douglas, Roche. Turner and to some degree Walters were all buried on the depth chart behind those seniors.”

This is bitching about freshmen not playing ahead of seniors. In order for that to happen, they would have to be “contributing right away”. So yes you did say that, you just didn’t spell it out and didn’t expect me to be smart enough to parse it out. But you were wrong. A “hit rate” based one 1 year of a recruiting class is just stupid. You simply don’t have any clue what you’re talking about and you telegraph it when you say garbage like that. 

Most mid-major teams lack a good post player. There aren’t very many to go around and the better programs get most of them. So this is not exactly anything unusual or insurmountable. Again, flaunting your ignorance.

on March 17, 2018

Critiquing grammar and punctuation on a basketball message board??? Wow.

Pointing out that Roche, Douglas, Turner and Walters are/were buried on the depth chart does not mean I expected ALL of them to contribute right away. Again….reading comprehension. And I pretty clearly stated that some recruiting misses are expected as are some project/role player types….you just chose to cherry pick and twist to suit your narrative.

And it’s 2 years of recruiting not 1. True, it is challenging to recruit in year 1 given the timing of when most coaches are hired but it’s not impossible. USF’s Smith brought in I believe 5 recruits in year 1 including 3 quality/starter types, Minlend, Ratinho and Ferrari.

on March 17, 2018

You keep mentioning Walters as a “buried” freshman. When everyone was available, he was one of 3 Sendek recruits in the top 6 in the rotation. You can have no complaints about a FR wing playing 15 mpg in the first half of his FR year and shooting 46% (scoring efficiency better than Healy or Pugh). It’s unfortunate that the season and his progression got halted. 

Eaddy would likely have made 4 of the top 7 players in the program from Sendek’s only recruiting class. I don’t know what you could possibly have to complain about. 

Those 3 USF guys you named are not in the same class. Not that I give a crap what USF does, really. Only matters 2 days a year. 

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0 on March 15, 2018

Gonzaga barely squeaks by UNCG by 4. They’ve now won at least a game in the NCAA tourney 10 straight years. 

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0 on March 19, 2018

Article on Gonzaga: https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/16/gonzaga-bulldogs-yoga-ncaa-tournament-mark-few

I threw up in my mouth before I could get to the second paragraph. 

Not just the article, but the fact that the Zags can pretty much take the National Championship trophy home right now given the weak resistance in front of them.  Might have to put an asterisk next to the record book if they win.  

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Article on Gonzaga: https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/16/gonzaga-bulldogs-yoga-ncaa-tournament-mark-few

I threw up in my mouth before I could get to the second paragraph. 

Not just the article, but the fact that the Zags can pretty much take the National Championship trophy home right now given the weak resistance in front of them.  Might have to put an asterisk next to the record book if they win.  

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3 on March 19, 2018

Article on Gonzaga: https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/16/gonzaga-bulldogs-yoga-ncaa-tournament-mark-few

I threw up in my mouth before I could get to the second paragraph. 

Not just the article, but the fact that the Zags can pretty much take the National Championship trophy home right now given the weak resistance in front of them.  Might have to put an asterisk next to the record book if they win.  

on March 19, 2018

Fascinating article, terribly written but interestingly reported.

I knew a high school football coach that made his team take ballet. His team was a bunch of farm kids that probably couldn’t outrun a cold, but it probably helped them go from a 4 win team to a 7 win team. 

College football superanalyst Phil Steele often notes when a player — usually a lineman — was a high school wrestler, bc it’s a sport that trains balance and countering in man on man combat — skills that serve a lineman well.

I’ve wondered if SCU should have redshirted this year — nothing was going to save this season, and guys like Turner and Walters just wasted a year. But probably it helps if you’re Gonzaga to convince guys to redshirt — both bc of the patience, and the possibility of transfer. It could be that redshirting decreases the likelihood of transfer, but some guys you might not mind seeing transfer lol. Can go around and around on it. Eaddy’s transfer year winds up being a redshirt year, and it’s probably an extra year that will serve him well in the long run.

Obviously SCU wasn’t going to be able to get a recruit like Wertz if they said he had to redshirt. But maybe someone else if they are going to be buried behind like 4 guards might not think a redshirt is such a bad idea.

on March 22, 2018

Don’t know if you’ll even see this, but I saw an article that many of the Pitt players want a release after the Stallings firing. Ryan Luther (6’9″ PF-good academics, solid player[??])…do you know of him, and is he a remote candidate for a X-fer in to Santa Clara??? Quick and dirty, seems like a player to which we hope Vrankic projects. 

 

on March 24, 2018

Wouldn’t be a bad idea. If he had been able to play more, Stallings might still have a job. He could definitely go to another Power 5, but if he’s less interested in that than the academic piece, then maybe. 

I generally don’t love the idea of another senior grad transfer, but would be hard to turn that down.

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