Before crickets, Herb’s grade.

Updated on March 15, 2018 in Coach Chatter
20 on March 10, 2018

Before the site goes dormant for the next 8 months or so, what grade would you give Sendek for the season?  He didn’t funnel $$$ illegally to the players, wasn’t arrested for beating up a mistress in a hotel room and didn’t throw temper tantrums during games (all of which I am glad for).  He did however manage to drop 20 games during a soft scheduled season, including 1 to a D2 program.  I’m doing with D.

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0 on March 10, 2018

And with the most vanilla post of the year I’m going to go with a C. Sticking to the five year plan…
In other news, I’m going to begrudgingly root for smc and gonz. But also root for them to lose in heartbreaking fashion when they do lose.

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0 on March 10, 2018

Uh oh….this thread will surely make secondyear’s head explode. Brace for some expletives and plenty of ‘you guys are idiots, I know everything’ type responses.

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2 on March 10, 2018

Season grade: C-

Non-conference….big fat F, worst non-conf slate in my 30 years assiciation w/ SCU. Conference better, maybe B-.

Last season I would’ve graded at a B+ given OK record and all the injury hurdles to overcome.

A little factoid….
Record through 1st 2 seasons:
Sendek: 28-36
KK: 31-33

And no, Keating did not inherit more talent. KK inherited Bryant for 2 years and Angley and Henke for a single season and little to no talent beyond that (other DD holdovers were guys like Gunderson, Higgins, Latimer, Mbanugo…names that most here have probably forgotten). Sendek inherited Brownridge and Kratch for a single season and KJ for 3 years, plus decent role players in Hauser and Big E.

on March 13, 2018

sorry, but I disagree with your assessment. KK inheriting a high-quality center for two years, by itself, is head-and-shoulders better than Brownridge for one year and KJ for three, combined. Throw Angley and Henke on top of that, and KK’s first group was so much better than Herb’s.

on March 13, 2018

I will agree with your overall C- grade.

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2 on March 11, 2018

I would say a C is fair. I don’t recall being blown out as many times as we were this year, and losing with a weak non-conference schedule was very disappointing. We did have a couple of short streaks in league where we looked good though. Unfortunately, the last game with Pepperdine was uninspiring, to say the least. All that being said, as simple as it sounds, Herb can’t get out there and play for the team. Basically, we had open shots all season. When we made them, we won. When we didn’t (most of the season), we lost. I think a coach can only put his players in a position to win-they have to execute. Of course there is the mystery of the short bench and why Roche, Shaq and perhaps Turner didn’t see more time…but I have to assume Herb knows a lot more than we do from practice every day, attitudes, etc..So I trust he knows what he is doing. Yes, 20 losses and the manner in which we lost many games is tough to take, but I am hopeful the incoming class (and the one after that) will elevate us considerably. Also, I think Herb is a smart, classy coach and I like his demeanor on the sideline-he is not going to embarrass us.
On another subject if the Zags and BYU jump to the MWC, the conference tournament will be in trouble as it is packed with Zag fans and the second most in attendance are the BYU fans (they are by far the least friendly fans in the WCC by the way). Anyway I hope GU stays put, but it sounds like they might go.

on March 11, 2018

I don’t know why any fan of another WCC team would want to see Gonzaga stay. They have clearly outgrown the league and hinder opportunities for others in it. 

on March 13, 2018

Well…that’s one thing we can agree on.

I suspect BYU will leave w/ GU which is fine w/ me, always saw them as a shortimer and a square peg in the league given their size (4 to 5 x bigger than most of the other schools). If they depart, will be interesting if they stick w/ 8 teams or replace them…Seattle U would be a no-brainer (Jesuit and former league member), would have rather taken them instead of Pacific to begin with, I suspect GU vetoed Seattle the last expansion. The 2nd maybe U of Denver??? Not many D1, West Coast private school options after that.

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Re Zags to the MWC…renegotiate the cut from the tourney to the betterment of GU/SMC; no equal cut to the great unwashed  for participation. I don’t think they will jump, and the threat is a negotiating ploy. If they leave, the WCC becomes just another version of the Big West, since a GU departure would likely pull BYU out also.

Sendek…C-, D+; I think he is all the good things mentioned B4, but he’s slipped into the abyss. I hope SCU does well next year, but it’s hard to be very optimistic. 

Hope GU and SMC (I guess they will make it) do well and represent. Fingers crossed for Zags to the Sweet 16. Not sure SMC will win game one, but they could rise up. No way they’d be in, absent the win at Spokane. I guess their best OOC win was New Mexico State. The losses to WSU and Georgia took a lot of sheen off the 28 win season against a weak WCC conference. 

 

on March 11, 2018

Nonconference   F

Conference         C-

Recruiting looking forward    B      (they look good but we shall see but just landing a big man however “green” is a big plus)

Ethics/reputation of the school/standards of the school    A

Overall still a C/C-

 

 

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Overall a C, maybe a C-.

The loss to Alaska-Anchorage was the most depressed I’ve been after an SCU game since that CBI-winning team lost by 40-something to Gonzaga. We did that this year, granted, but the Foster-Trasolini team was the arguably the *best* Keating team. Nevertheless, I was a freshman during that 0-16 conference record season, so I have a very, very easy curve for SCU basketball .

Next year will be telling and the year after that even moreso. It took Randy Bennett 3 seasons to get a winning record and 4 to get to the NCAA. I’ll give Herb an extra year on both counts.

 

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I said it would be bad, it was bad. For a while there it got not as bad, but then had some injuries and then it was bad again.

It would idiotic to judge the coaching staff on this season, which as I mentioned, was always going to be bad. 

I think some people are overrating the talent on hand because they want to think it should have been better. But really it was what it was going to be, and that is bad. 

You can’t do much in mid-major basketball with garbo seniors and another missing class besides that. 

on March 13, 2018

The predictable response.

The fatalistic attitude is bizarre.
The terrible season was not a foregone conclusion. Given the soft schedule, 15+ wins and more competitive play against good competition instead of the massive and record setting blowouts was reasonably achievable.

Up the road at USF, Kyle Smith took over their program w/ a recent history simular to SCU and inherited less talent then Sendek (Zero All-WCC types whereas Sendek got Brownridge and KJ) and manages a 20 win season last year and 18 wins (and counting) this year, and his most talented player, Minlend missed the entire season.
Some modest success while rebuilding is possible as Smith has proven.

Smith has accomplished it at least partly by recruiting better than Sendek, so far bringing in some quality players like Minlend, Ferrari, Ratinho, Boum, plus a slew of big men he utilizes off the bench. Plus 3 or 4 or his recruits are Bay Area kids….always good to recruit well in your backyard.
Sendek’s ‘18 recruiting class looks solid so maybe he closes the gap on USF and Smith w/ that class….maybe.

on March 15, 2018

Maybe it wasn’t a foregone conclusion to you. But I said it from the start, and I was right, so obviously I know a little more then you do. 

Feel free to go root for USF. Are their academic standards the same as SCU? Could those guys you named have gotten into SCU? 

That you think 2 guys — one of which isn’t on the team any more — should be sufficient to building a program shows how little you know. The one that isn’t on the team anymore really was an impediment more than anything else because he only showed up when he wanted to anyway. 

It was plain as day this team was going to be severely athlete-challenged. Despite that, they finished 8-10 in the conference despite losing starters in conference season. They might have been capable of 10-8 or so if everyone had been healthy, which doesn’t sound like much when your program ceiling has been 4th anyway, it’s certainly not bad for a (re)building year. 

on March 15, 2018

The reality is that at a mid-major, the non-conference is irrelevant anyway unless you’re Gonzaga. You use that time to learn about your team, especially with a team as disjointed and athlete-challenged as this one was.

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1 on March 11, 2018

Either I’m too harsh, or you guys are pretty lenient to give C’s.  I’m thinking if Lamont went to trial (he won’t as charges were dropped after USD lawyers “convinced” his mistress to drop charges and also “convinced” Lamont to resign) he’d want ya’ll in the jury.  

If 11-20 gets a “C”, whats a D? 4-27?

on March 11, 2018

Since I matriculated to SCU, I’ve seen two seasons of more than 15 wins: Keating’s CBI season and last season. The win/season average for my SCU fandom is 12.5. Herb gets a slightly below-average grade for a slightly below-average season.

I still watch Bronco games quasi-religiously and hope for the best, but for some of us under 30, hope is all we have because there’s no experience with SCU teams that regularly won more than 15 times per season for us to form a reasonable expectation of that level of success. Sad, perhaps, but true.

 

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0 on March 12, 2018

D- and that’s being generous.

Simply because he did not use the bench at all.  When the kids got tired or in foul trouble you have no one to go to.  They did get any experience either….  I consider Roche, Shaq, Turner, Jadersten and possibly Pugh as wasted years….

While I understand there was probably a trust issue or just no faith in their play…..  3 of those were his choices, sooooooo……..

All I can do is pray for a better situation next year.

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1 on March 12, 2018

D+.  The plus is for the games the team went without Hauser and the addition of Vranik.  Embarassing pre-season and dubious progression/use (or lack thereof) of guys off the bench. 

If we are comparing third year efforts and where the internal bar is set:

DD: 21-7 (Thank you #11  )

KK: 11-20  

Gotta do better than 11 wins.  Gotta go .500.  Please. 

 

 

 

on March 12, 2018

I’m with Weave on this one. Unless one of the recruits from this class ( which according to Rivals is supposed to be good) is a Nash like revelation, we need to be somewhat north of .500. I’m always reticent to grade people who know more about what they’re doing than I do, but under any measurable criterion, a C is generous.

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