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Updated on June 29, 2017 in Coach Chatter
19 on May 22, 2017

Does this year of 13-40 get you another year?

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0 on May 23, 2017

They only had two Seniors so maybe, but my guess would be no.  They hired an assistant from Baylor so maybe he was brought in to step in.  Our pitching was terrible, particularly the relievers. Lots of games lost in high scoring games. Baseball has been bad for many years, I really can’t remember when we last had a team in the NCAA’s.  The only worse team is women’s softball.  

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0 on May 23, 2017

Baseball has been so bad for many years
Men’s basketball has been so bad for many years
What da #***%^~~*** has been going on?

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0 on May 23, 2017

Given the history at SCU, I would say Yes

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3 on May 25, 2017
on May 25, 2017

Heard it was coming, I have talked to several people in Leavey and Renee and her staff are not the most well liked the building. I could have some follow up soon.

on May 25, 2017

Is that because there is some pressure to win on the coaches or other?

on May 25, 2017

I imagine some folks are not happy over raising ticket prices, etc. And that is going to happen.

They are trying to treat the basketball program like a winning program before it is one. But, if they start winning, it’ll work out.

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2 on May 25, 2017

What’s the saying? “Sometimes it’s better to be respected than liked” 
Something like that… Anyways, hope its just because she has a plan to turn things around on all levels. 

on May 25, 2017

Unfortunately that’s not the case, now with the softball coach being let go today I will explain further next week. There are big issues with Renee, Jeff and Staci and coaches are very upset and are very unhappy. A couple people have said the worst moral ever in the department. I will get more this weekend. I wanna make sure I get facts and appropriate people commenting.

on May 25, 2017

Your could be right, but those couple of people would have had to have been around a while to award the current morale as “worst ever.” There were some low points in the O’Conner, Coonan and certainly Levick eras (which might get my vote). Dropping football put a mark on the Williams tenure and I have heard that it wasn’t all unicorns and roses in the Malley years.

I liked Coach O’Brien–knew him through family connections. Bummer to see him go. Quality guy. A “Bronco” as it were.  But the name of the game is to put up W’s.  

Softball has had decades of struggles.  Hasn’t made much progress with a new stadium which I thought would help turn the corner.  I know nothing about the dymanics of softball–recruiting and the like–but I suspect the demand for good players waaaaay outstrips supply. Particularly pitchers. Even more exacerbated than women’s basketball.  And our academic standards may be a significant barrier to either attracting or being able to pull in better players. 

Hoping the ships in the fleet get righted and morale improves. Always hard to hear about a house crumbling from the inside. Especially ours.

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3 on May 26, 2017

Why stop with Mize. 

The softball program has been an absolute joke since it began, and my strongest vote would be to get rid of the whole program and add women’s lacrosse, which has competed successfully as a club program for a long time. Better institutional fit for SCU anyway, in my opinion. SMC plays, it’s a growing sport in the west, popular at Catholic schools on both coasts. 

In the first five years of the program, SCU Softball went 5-70. All time, they’ve gone 512-1,362. That’s a .273 winning percentage. There have been 4 coaches who have only won SINGLE DIGIT games in their TENURE, and only one was a 1 year coach…. I don’t know Coach Mize from a stranger. That is saying something, because I follow this entire athletic program very closely and wrote for the Santa Clara while she was a coach. So the fact that I couldn’t pick her out of a police line up says a lot. If people are honestly upset that a coach whose best team went 15-35 (out of 8 seasons), they need a dose of the real world. She never won double digit conference games. The only reason she got as long as she did is because they were playing off-campus (a tremendous handicap), and have since moved to an on-campus facility. The program was at the bottom of the barrel- not in the league but in the country- and was moving sideways or worse.   

Morale is often low when a lax environment becomes a demanding one. Santa Clara can ill-afford to treat varsity head coaches like tenured professors. We were long blessed with a succession of long-tenured coaches for whom this was something of a destination job- Malleys in football, Williams/Davey, and currently Wallace, Smith, and Rast- all of whom could pursue bigger options if they wanted (maybe not Rast right now). But all of those men have earned exalted spots by winning and winning often.   

A University’s reputation, like it or not, can be largely shaped by athletic success and perception of the athletic program generally. That reputation reflects on the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of SCU’s living alumni- not to mention those who have passed on, a large number given the rich and long history of this institution, who deserve to be honored as well by the standard the University keeps. Any coach who thinks their feelings or job security trump the real world consequences of the perception of thousands of people’s alma mater is sadly mistaken. Anyone who attended this school will, for the rest of their lives, have their name inexorably linked with that of Santa Clara. That we should demand progress towards athletic success is far from unreasonable. And anyone who maintains that academics and athletics cannot co-exist need not look far to be proven wrong. Indeed, most the nations top schools that play division 1 athletics do so at a very high level. 

Someone who produces results like Lisa Mize or comports themselves like Kerry Keating largely did on the sidelines would not be retained for very long in most private sector work. I, for one, am glad the University is finally holding them to a real standard- even if that means the dismissal of wonderful and well-meaning men like Coach O’Brien, who I greatly admire (but whose results I cannot defend). 

on May 26, 2017

Nashy, I agree with your basic premise if all things are equal. Unfortunately all things are not equal and I think most alumni would be shocked to know how these men and women have the cards completely stacked against them. I will try my best to get this point of view articulated early next week the best I can. I know a lot of coaches present and past that want the true story out. Since I am friends with a lot of them I think it’s time people know what’s going on. Hopefully we can rekindle this next week, you might see things differently. Have a great weekend.

on May 26, 2017

Santa Clara baseball is a tough job for sure…but I guess the question is why are USF and St. Mary’s able to be decent at baseball while Santa Clara has had 20 years of sub-par performance? I am just curious….really no idea why. Are USF and St.Mary’s able to get in players academically that Santa Clara cannot?  Are they able to reduce the price of tuition more ….which is a big deal in limited scholarship sports like baseball? Is there something structurally different about Santa Clara baseball from those two programs which puts Santa Clara at a disadvantage? Or are their coaches simply better at evaluating and developing talent?

on May 26, 2017

Nashty’s post feels spot on to me, especially from a results perspective. I just don’t see how either baseball or softball could be seen as successful from a results standpoint. The leash was incredibly long, considering how many years were given to hoops, baseball and softball.

I’m curious to hear why the culture feels so down. If it’s due to mediocrity finally being challenged, then this feels like a welcomed change. Hate to see good people let go, but I imagine it seems like it’s time to a lot of fans. Clearly, Insider, you believe it’s much more significant than that, so I will be very interested to know why all the dissension if it’s more than just holding people accountable. Noob drove me crazy with his/her approach, but one thing I did agree with him/her about is that there hasn’t been enough of a culture that demands results, both from fans and the school itself. We all have different definitions of what success or even results should look like, but it feels tough to argue that any of the departured coaches did what is needed on the field or court to keep their jobs. I’m still really optimistic about the new direction on things, the recent moves included, so it would have to be pretty bad internally to change that. Hope that’s not the case.

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3 on May 29, 2017

Now I’m eagerly waiting for Insider’s post…. 🙂

Interesting because Jeff and Staci were there for Coonan’s years.

 

 

 

on May 30, 2017

I got pulled out of town on business, so I will try and finish up the information soon. Thank You

on May 30, 2017

I agree with Nashty as usual, spot on.  Will be interested in what Insider has to say.  

The only thing I can think would be an issue would be if baseball, softball, water polo etc did not get any, or very few, scholarships.  I thought some sports may only get a few scholarships and have to divy  them up, eg half, quarter scholarships etc.  if the other schools in the WCC give out more scholarships than SCU, then the coaches would be at a disadvantage and a right to be upset.  Women’s soccer and volleyball along to a lesser extent, men’s soccer, have been the only consistently competitive and winning programs for many years.  If those coaches are upset, then what Rene is doing could be wrong.  Most would agree that the men’s basketball program is the most visible, win or lose.  Rene has put her efforts here and that is a good call.  Her women’s BB coach choice has not worked out so well.  

A shakeup in baseball, softball was warranted in my opinion.  I think we all want Bronco tradition to continue as it once was, teams that are competitive, win a feiw titles, graduate everyone, and demonstrate good character on and off the field, court, course, or pool.

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on June 24, 2017

A major step in the right direction….http://santaclarabroncos.com/sports/m-basebl/2016-17/releases/20170623vchmsk

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0 on June 29, 2017

It’s been a month, should we send someone to go checkup on Insider?

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